Tension: one of the reasons I love studying theology

I recently read a well thought out post by a Calvinistic friend who’s posts I read often about Calvinism relating to unconditional election. He explained how Arminians try to solve tension. Arminians’ quest to solve tension is one of their main problems/mistakes. There are a lot of tensions in Scripture and in theology. We do not have to solve these tensions. For example the Trinity, it does not make sense, but we do not find reason to resolve the tension created. The Trinity is not Irrational but it is difficult. Yet we understand that there is a certain amount of mystery involved in theology. Somethings that we humans cannot quite understand fully. One of the main points in Micheal’s post is that Calvinists and Arminians take a different perspective. Both see that God is Sovereign, but in different ways. They both believe in predestination but the difference is in the basis of predestining.

“The Calvinist says that God’s predestination has no founding in the predestined in any sense. God did not choose people based on any merit, intrinsic or foreseen. This is called unconditional predestination because there are no conditions in man that need to be met. It does not mean that God did not have any reason for choosing some and not others, but that the reason is not found in us.

The Arminian says that God’s predestination has a founding in the faith of the predestined. In other words, God looks ahead in time and discovers who will believe and who will not and chooses people based on their prior free-will choice of him.”

Michael brought a real interesting argument to the table. It is a good read and I suggest you take a look for yourself.

Scripture teaches both of God’s Sovereignty and Man’s responsibility. The Arminians found a solution to the conflict. Calvinists are left wanting more.
“To the Calvinists, man is fully responsible for his choice, yet God’s election is unconditional. Therefore, there is a tension that is created between human responsibility and God’s election.”

Man may not know how to understand how it works. The balance and tension of man’s responsibility and God’s unconditional election…it is amazing to think about. It is amazing how God lets it all happen but yet is in control either way. It is great stuff.

This post really was great for me because of my stance on unconditional election and predestination. The more I study it the more I feel like I have no idea what I am talking about. But I do not feel satisfied with the extreme arguments of the two sides, in the false dichotomy of Calvinism and Arminianism.

It was refreshing to see others alongside of Michael in the comments section of his post reflecting on it and realizing that there is a tension and mystery to some issues like this topic. And there is a balance to the arguments. And that the truth is ultimately in God’s hands.

Well anyways, thanks Michael for getting me exciting about theology again. This is one of the main reasons I love studying it…some of these things that I cannot get my brain around are fun to think about. The tension and mystery is like an adrenaline rush and a puzzle to piece all at the same time.

What are Evangelicals to do?

Evangelicals are not going for the Democratic agenda. (especially not the more liberal agenda of Obama.) And Evangelicals have reservations about McCain too.
Who are Evangelicals going to vote for?
I remember everyone was saying four years ago they were voting Bush as the lesser of two evils.
That is interesting. Now the same people are wondering if Kerry was the lesser evil, while others wonder how much more evil Kerry would have been…
Well, in the end it comes down to our two-party system. At least that is what I think. The two parties leave a difficult dilemma for any individual (evangelical or not). Most people are not one-platform believers. What I mean is that hardly anyone agrees with every single aspect of one particular party. A two party system does not really represent everyone. I know people like to vote on a couple of really important issues, but think about that a minuet. How smart is that really? We are picking a President all aspects of what he believes is important and can change our society not just the social issues!
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I understand that changing the party system is practically impossible. So am not leaving much of a solution, but just thinking out loud. What might change everything for this year’ election would be the VP selection. McCain and Huckabee ticket anyone?

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obama clinton???

probably unlikely….

A little over ten days ago, Hilary surrendered and endorsed Obama for the democratic nomination for the 2008 election for Presidency.
Right after the endorsement, the media did what it does best and stressed the question: “Will Obama select Clinton as VP?” and “Wouldn’t that be your best move after such a long hard race?”
Obama and crew wisely pushed the question aside and said it would be best to think it over, let time pass and the storm to weather over before making such an important decision.

One issue with this whole concept is that VPs have and always will be chosen at the Conventions…it is too early for a final decision and you are not going to get one.

I honestly do not think that Obama will select Clinton for several reasons:
1. Obama is not going to want 2 1st on the same ticket, too risky.
2. Clinton is too alike on so many issues, and too far apart on other issues
just not a compatible fit
3. Obama does not need Hillary to get Hillary’s voters.
4. Obama needs to focus more on getting voters from the other side of the fence, by selecting a more conservative, more Christian, older, stoic moderate

In the news today, “

Clinton, Fundraisers To Meet With Obama”

According to the article, it seems that Obama is not considering Clinton for the ticket. This makes sense to me. although a Clinton donor on Monday called a “slap in the face.”

Obama a Christian?


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Who is Barack Obama?

Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was
born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black
from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from
Wichita, Kansas.
Obama’s parents met at the
University of Hawaii. When Obama was two years old, his parents
divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His
mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL
Muslim from Indonesia.?
When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to
Indonesia. Obama
attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two
years in a Catholic school.

Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He
is quick to point out that, “He was once a
Muslim, but that he also
attended Catholic school.”

Obama’s political handlers are attempting to make it appear that
he is not a

Obama’s introduction to Islam came via his father, and that
this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama
returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any
influence over his son’s education.

Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham,
introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was
enrolled in a Wahabi school
in Jakarta.

Wahabism is the RADICAL
teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now
waging Jihad against the western world. Since
it is politically expedient to be a
CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States,
Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an
attempt to
downplay his Muslim
background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn
into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.

Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor
will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their
over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches.

Let us all remain alert concerning Obama’s expected presidential

The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the
inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level –
through the President of the United States, one of their own!!!!

Please forward to everyone you know. Would you want this man
leading our country?……


  • Obama has been in the news a lot recently regarding religion. Clinton’s camp and some extreme Republican camps have came out and tried to say that he is/was a Muslim.
  • His middle name is Hussein, this should be a non-issue but some people have radical opinions about this.
  • Obama is actually a Christian and has been promoting this clearly lately.
  • He is a Christian, but should a Christian vote for him?
    Some say “Yes”
    Others say “No”

  • Interesting video where Obama talks about these things:
  • Obama’s social political platform

  • Obama’s talk on abortion and faith:
    [An abortion protester at a campaign event] handed me a pamphlet. “Mr. Obama, I know you’re a Christian, with a family of your own. So how can you support murdering babies?”

    I told him I understood his position but had to disagree with it. I explained my belief that few women made the decision to terminate a pregnancy casually; that any pregnant woman felt the full force of the moral issues involved when making that decision; that I feared a ban on abortion would force women to seek unsafe abortions, as they had once done in this country. I suggested that perhaps we could agree on ways to reduce the number of women who felt the need to have abortions in the first place.

    “I will pray for you,” the protester said. “I pray that you have a change of heart.” Neither my mind nor my heart changed that day, nor did they in the days to come. But that night, before I went to bed, I said a prayer of my own-that I might extend the same presumption of good faith to others that had been extended to me.

    Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.197-8 Oct 1, 2006

  • Finally if that were not enough Obama has got a lot of attention due to good ole Reverend Wright.

In the end it is your choice